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  1. I am in an online course or courses ,at Ashford university .With a grant and loan ,Yet I have not got any news or information on if I am recieving any or what of the loan ,or grant money left over.They said in the beginning ,tuition was $ 10,000.oo and the loan paid $ 9,000.oo of it ,.Leaving the rest ,or covered by the possible amount of a range that may vary from total largest granted of $5,500.oo down to $ 500.oo depenging on eligability or income .I was reassured that it was looking good due my $ status I might be eligible for most the amount left over ……Rooghly between $0.oo to $ 4,000.oo I could get .But in 2 installment checks . THX for listening,and can you help me with this request for information.

  2. I think the underlying problem that is not addressed is the reason prospective students are attracted to private, for-profit schools in the first place.

    It’s no secret that the high quality public universities in the US are not only very expensive, but very difficult to get into as well. Academically, American elementary and high school students have been performing relatively poorly compared to students from China and India, so most of our reputable universities would never consider their application in the first place. Statistically, most college freshmen have to take remedial math and english for the first year before even beginning regular classes – that’s a fact! However, most cannot afford that first year of remedial classes that won’t even count toward their degree.

    Then there is the issue of what happens to these students that don’t meet the minimum qualifications for public university. They graduate from poorly funded and poorly performing schools with low GPA’s, and get stuck in low wage jobs that don’t allow them time to bring their academic skills up unless they enroll online or take evening classes. For most, even that is a sacrifice because they have already had 2-3 kids to support. They are, and have been, a growing market in this country for years – but so has people that have bad credit and can’t get loans at reputable banks.

    If a person can’t open an account at a bank, they will do business at check-cashing facilities and get loans from payday loan facilities. If a student can’t get into a reputable public university, they will take classes at whatever school will accept them. In both cases, they will pay outrageous fees for the same thing. It’s the same beast we’re dealing with – predatory practices.

    Bottom line, American students do not have fair and equal access to quality education that will enable all of our students to obtain higher educational opportunities. There are schools in rural areas and inner city areas of the country that systematically perform poorly, but the children are demonized and punished in our society because these children weren’t fortunate enough to have been born to educated and/or wealthy parents. They simply aren’t provided the same opportunities. And as long as we continue to foster the way we do things at an elementary and secondary school level, there will always be schools like the University of Phoenix that will be there to offer education at three times the costs of a public university.

  3. Talking about “for-profit institutions” as a whole is like putting a third-thier public university in Arkansas in the same bag than Northwestern or U Penn. It’s nonsensical. A university like Ashford (from BridgePoint Education) gives much higher-quality education than many non-profit institutions. I know, I transfered and graduated there! Targeting the for-profit institutions is a bad political move. Just target the bad apples, and have the courage to look for them in the nonprofit sector as well… Believe me, if you want to talk about “gainful employment”, there is plenty to talk about there, too.

    This country is eaten alive by more and more qualified workers from India and China, and now the government is trying to target 12% of the enrolled students, with no backup plan. Maybe forprofit institutions are not the ideal solution, and surely we need to stop some abuse. But in an under-educated and under-qualified country like ours, where nonprofit classrooms are packed and of average low quality, maybe it’s still better to pay a few extra bucks and get some of the job done, rather than doing nothing.

  4. I definitely support any investigation into the quality of these for-profit “educational” institutions. I’ve taken classes at such schools for my job, and I was astounded at the lack of actual learning going on in the classrooms. They teach a lot of basic rote skills but without fostering any understanding of the bigger picture of what one is learning, no comprehension of the theory. Secondly, from what I’ve seen these institutions have a larger number of individuals marketing school than actual teaching faculty. Furthermore a huge percentage of these institutions’ budgets pay for the marketing, not for the students’ education.

    Maybe such institutions do have a place in society, but they definitely do need to be held more accountable, particularly when advertising that a student will be qualified and able to get a job in their chosen field after completing the coursework. From what I’m hearing in the news, this is NOT the case! I’m glad this is being discussed and reviewed in the media and government at this time!

  5. I totally disagree with all of you. Some categories of the for-profit colleges are geared for students who learn differently. These students tend to be more “hands-on” learners, who achieve more through the study of and labs in more specialized suject matter. These students become valuable members of society through the help of a more directive curriculum, hands-on experience, tutorials, and engaged career support specialists.

  6. Does the government ever learn? “If there is a chance for FRAUD, there will be Fraud.” Does anything sound more likely to be fraud based than some/most of these “for profit” schools. Who accredits (ha ha)them? Do their graduates get jobs? How much profit do they make? How about the for profit schools matching the government contibution to show their good faith?

  7. “I support a ban on loans for profit based colleges. These colleges have done nothing but make education more expensive for the rest of the students.” How?
    “I feels students at these universities might be against the bill because they are being short sided.” What?
    The University of Phoenix has over 500,000 alumni; the vast majority of who are productive members of both industry and society. Current enrollment is around 450,000 students. 450,000 students, who for one reason or another, feel that their needs are better served by a flexible for-profit university and not by a public education sector that has shown time and again its inability to consistently service students. Unlike traditional schools that focus on the philosophy and theory of applying “skills” to careers, the career schools focus on the practical application of “skills” in a real world environment.
    Fraud and abuse in higher education is industry wide, and not endemic of for-profit schools. Additional oversight is certainly needed, yet should not be limited to for-profits alone.

  8. I support a ban on loans for profit based colleges. These colleges have done nothing but make education more expensive for the rest of the students. I feels students at these universities might be against the bill because they are being short sided. They want to finish their studies with no regard to future students and their costs. The guaranteeing of loans for these universities has done far more harm than good. Places like University of Phoenix and Devry have cheapened the bachelor degree and made it very hard for employers and students who have gone to the universities and have skills.

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